The God of the Bible speaks out against some things and not others.
He speaks out against murder, slothfulness, coveting, adultery, stealing, etc. - spiritual things.
But He indicts no one for hair color, head size, clumsiness, number of fingers, mental retardation, illness, leprosy, or bad teeth - physical things.
Now, God speaks out in no uncertain terms about homosexuality - it is an abomination to Him.
Moreover, Jesus gave no indication that God changed His mind in the New Testament. In fact He reaffirms the role of the Law, even claiming that He did not come to change the Law but to fulfill it.
Therefore, if God speaks out against spirtually-based things and not physically-based things, and He speaks out against homosexuality, it follows that homosexuality is a spiritual issue (that can be avoided and is a result of free will), and it is not physical (the result of genetic makeup).
And if God is a good and righteous judge, He would never condemn a lifestyle which was beyond one’s control (that is, genetic) just as He condemns no one for race, height, mental capacity, or whether or not one likes lima beans.
But He does condemn homosexuality, thus it is not beyond our control, thus it is not genetic.
Thus, if the God of the Bible is the one, true God, then a gene which programs us for homosexuality will never be found.
Your thoughts on this?
(P.S. Homosexuals still need Jesus, so instead of condemning them, let us as Christians intercede for them and be willing to share with them the Gospel of Truth, the truth that can set them free.)
IS being gay, a gene?
Are you actually saying what I think you are?
That if homosexuality is proven to be completely genetic, you will accept the fact that Yahweh does NOT exist..?
Woah!! Maybe we need to put some more money into that field of researching, after all.. XD
IS being gay, a gene?
no , if you do a questinaire you will get the answer
if they are gay how will you be born
You are arguing from the position that a certain bronze-age god exists, which remains to be seen. So far: zero evidence for bible god, lots of evidence for homosexuality.
Have you any universal arguments, because I know the ones based on your religion, and they are rather weak.
And here is a tip: keep it up, and within the next 500 years we will have completely accepted homosexuality and teach Christianity in mythology classes where it belongs.
Being gay is not %26quot;a gene.%26quot; That's like an urban myth. I think it's more like %26quot;imprinting%26quot; which they used to teach about in psych 101. And while God accepts people the way they are, He doesn't expect them to STAY that way.
He actually does indict people for physical defects. Blind people and the physically defective are not allowed in church. The Bible says so.
You are born gay, it is a gene, or possibly environmental within the womb.
Yes, and being gay I can tell you that I never made the decision to be. I don't need jesus or your made up god. I'll live my life and not worry about pleasing a non existent creature of myth.
It's most probably not a gene, at least not an hereditary one, but it is not a consious choice like theists and their scientific poverty.
There's no evidence of a %26quot;gay gene%26quot;, however there is some evidence that homosexuality may be congenital. For example they have found that some gay male brains are similar in shape to heterosexual female brains.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/745658…
This is very specious reasoning. Firstly, I disagree with this:
%26quot;Now, God speaks out in no uncertain terms about homosexuality - it is an abomination to Him.%26quot;
Really? How's your Ancient Hebrew? I'm assuming you've studied this topic thoroughly, because the world's most eminent Christian biblical scholars cannot agree on this one.
%26quot;But He does condemn homosexuality, thus it is not beyond our control, thus it is not genetic.%26quot;
Acts are within our control. Dispositions and desires are not. Therefore, human actions have moral values, but sexual orientations are - per se - morally neutral.
%26quot;Thus, if the God of the Bible is the one, true God, then a gene which programs us for homosexuality will never be found.%26quot;
I'm inclined to believe that a simple genetic determinism is a bit simplistic, but why should tehre not be some genetic predisposition to being gay? Or being good at Maths? Or a lawyer? Or a murderer? Or a Christian? The relationship between genes and environment is complex, but I don't think it precludes free will.
%26quot;Homosexuals still need Jesus%26quot;
Indeed. And many are Christians.
He condemns eating shellfish and pork too. He's not a big fan of shaving either. So what?
You religious fanatics need to get over yourselves and homosexuality. Homosexuals have no impact on you personally or your make-believe God. Let them live their lives without preaching to them about burning in a mythical place you call %26quot;hell%26quot; after they die, will you? Jesus Christ.
The genetic basis for behaviour is still a young field. There's some evidence to suggest that homosexuality is related to genetics, but often enough it's not the whole story.
A big problem with your argument rests on this simple phrase %26quot;if god is a good and righteous judge%26quot;. That my friend, is a very, very big if given the nature of your god as defined in your books you claim he authored.
so far, science has not concluded that homosexuals have different genes than heterosexuals
i'm only going to say one thing: i know christian homosexuals. it's not that they %26quot;need jesus%26quot;, they just need jesus' fan club to accept them
I think those Christians who curse those homosexuals are so hypocritical. I'm Christian myself but I don't think we even have that right or basis to judge others based on their sexual orientation. Christians are supposed to be kind, if not understanding, I always get pissed off whenever I hear someone condemning others when they are so hypocritical themselves.
And about the gene of homosexuality, I think if everyone thinks that there is a gene for every 'bad' trait, then won't there be no law or morals anymore? Everyone can just say that %26quot;Oh, I'm a criminal, I can't control my urges to kill, to steal, to rape, but what can I or you do? It's in my genes!%26quot; If everyone begins to think that way, then it'll be bad. And I fully believe in the human capability of self-awareness and self-restraint, humans can definitely direct their thoughts to where they want it to be, so it's their choice whether on the path that they take in their lives, I believe that no gene can play a part in this independent decision making of theirs.
Is it one gene? Almost certainly not, but there does seem to be some genetic basis for it. After all, do you consciously choose who you're attracted to? It's something that does not fall under direct voluntary control.
Besides, your bible is just a book, it's clearly wrong about many things and often self-contradictory, so why would you even consider placing it above actual reality which can be studied?
Sin is a sin is a sin ... why not intercede for all adulators, thieves, murders, rapists, fornicators, liars, those who covet, etc., etc, too ?
Why single out homosexuality ? Whether it is attributed to genetics depends on: Smart Scientist = answer NO; dumb Scientist = YES; non-believer in God (atheist) = Yes / NO; Christian = NO ; Homosexual = YES ... parents of a Homosexual = YES .. MAYBE !!!
I think you have a very good point. I know several people who claim to be gay or bisexual and oddly enough no one else in their family history is. If homosexuality were genetic, it would be passed down from one generation to the next. Then again if it were genetic, population levels would probably go down since two men and two women cant make babies. There is a physiological reason why your supposed to be with the opposite sex.
Its not the people, its the act. I know alot of %26quot;gay%26quot; people that are realy nice and caring. On the other hand, this argument probably isnt going to work for atheists but we are all entitled to say and believe what we want, agree or disagree. Just continue to be loving of others and pray for them even if they hate you for it.
100 % No. Being homo is based on his/her social experiences.
*DRINK!!*
Fcuk you, I'm gay and I'm a good person. Why the hell would some %26quot;god%26quot; send me to hell for that??
And hey do some studies on human sexuality. It's a combination of genetics, hormons and environment (?).
But most importantly: why the hell do you bother? It's not your business.
I'm a %26quot;gay sinner%26quot; and I'm just like anyone else. THE SAME KIND AS ANYONE ELSE. The only thing is, I like being with guys and want a relationship with a guy.
Can't be so damn difficult to understand... argh
not its a lifestyle choice. Gays are just selfish contrary heterosexuals out to make life difficult for everyone else.
it's not a choice, sin or down to abuse etc
it's been shown to be down to the brains and genes
%26quot;homosexual%26quot; was a term coined in 1869 so it can't be in the bible
I also agree with ScheisseSexy when he says Fcuk You
*drink*
edit: rattleme is wrong and rambling
edit2: I said it's not a choice
Being gay is a lifestyle dear.
The Bible does not mention homosexuality. Not once. Try reading it if you have a lot of time to waste. Read a biology book to learn what a gene is perhaps.
Jesus and John were lovers . No one cared.
Homophobia is a very recent form of mental disease....
No, its not a gene. We should be praying for them, not condemning them.
No...it is a lifestyle choice. I honestly believe that if people who are gay/lesbian would be honest and look back over their childhood...there was something lacking in their relationship with their mother or father. They felt rejected, unloved, abused or indifferent toward one of their parents.
In an experiment I read about, scientists caused mice to be gay (attempting to mate with the same sex, acting like the opposite sex, etc) by varying the amount of hormones in their developing stage. So I believe homosexuality is a mix of genes and different environmental factors. As to your argument, there is nothing whatsoever that proves or even implies that homosexuality is spiritual or physical, because the bible is a man-made account
Scientific researchers specializing in human sexuality have shown that homosexuality is genetic.
Scientific research publications from October 2004 and June 2008 stated that scientists have found that women tend to have more children when they inherit the same genetic factors linked to homosexuality in men. This fertility boost more than compensates for the lack of offspring fathered by gay men, and keeps the “gay” genetic factors in circulation. A lead researcher said %26quot;You have all this antagonism against homosexuality because they say it's against nature because it doesn't lead to reproduction. We found out this is not true because homosexuality is just one of the consequences of strategies for making females more fecund%26quot; and that their findings offered %26quot;a solution to the Darwinian paradox and an explanation of why natural selection does not progressively eliminate homosexuals.%26quot;
A 2005 study reported genetic scans showing a clustering of the same genetic pattern among gay men on three chromosomes - chromosomes 7, 8, and 10. The regions on chromosome 7 and 8 were associated with male sexual orientation regardless of whether the man got them from his mother or father. The regions on chromosome 10 were only associated with male sexual orientation if they were inherited from the mother.
A study from 2006 said that researchers have known for years that a man's likelihood of being gay rises with the number of older biological brothers, but the new study found that the so-called %26quot;fraternal birth order effect%26quot; persists even if gay men were raised away from their biological families %26amp; that %26quot;the research suggests that the development of sexual orientation is influenced before birth.%26quot; The older-brother effect was constant regardless of whether the men were raised with natural, adopted or stepbrothers. It also didn't matter if they weren't raised with their biological mothers.
As an advise, I think you should stop trying to find all the answers in a book that was written thousands of years ago by people who knew nothing about genetics, gender, evolution, chromosomes...etc.
Homosexuals do not neccessarily condemn religion. In fact, many homosexuals hav religious feelings. Are religious leaders and intolerants who condemn homosexuals.
There is no proof that it is a gene but rather bad choice.
More and more stats show it is rather a traumatic experience, bad parenting, single parenting or abuse which causes these choices or just plain sinful nature.
It may not be as simple as a gene. It could have something to do with what the mother was eating at certain stages of the pregnancy and how much stress she was under, for instance.
